Comments on: John Grinder PhD., “What is NLP?” http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/ Master life-changing thoughts, feelings and behaviors Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:37:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff Zadzilka http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-4529 Jeff Zadzilka Tue, 26 Apr 2011 06:47:56 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-4529 I started learning NLP via every book Grinder, Bandler, Dilts, et al authored in late 1980's, had to travel to find Dr Grinder in several states and Canada to attend workshops, finally in 1992 and 1993 did the Certification and Master Certification courses in Philly, NLP New Code, then they went back and showed how every pattern in the old code came from the leverage points in the new code. New code allowed me to create, recreate, ad lib whatever I needed to to adjust to the client in front of me to get results for the client. Definitely a focus on modelling in new code from day one. Dr Grinder did the certification wkend and Judith DeLozier (former spouse/nlp co-creator) did the Master Certification testing wkend. Attended modelling weekend modelling touch healer Finbar Nolan w/ Dr. Grinder, A New Code Excellence weekend in I believe N Carolina and a later workshop in Canada on some advanced New Code stuff. Dr. Grinder was always fascinating and instructive. I liked some of the earlier work by Richard Bandler on patterns using submodalities, but his later stuff seems to end in a puff of smoke and bewilderment with little having been learned ... might be a statement of my own limitations!!! Grinder and DeLozier's PreRequisite for Personal Genius needs to be read numerous times to understand what to do with it. The New Code instruction, much of it, was based on explorations and discoveries in this book ... again, unbelievably instructive ... nothing like it. It is definitely more difficult to model a genius, than it is to have fun playing with the patterns that come out of others having modelled geniuses in their field. I started learning NLP via every book Grinder, Bandler, Dilts, et al authored in late 1980′s, had to travel to find Dr Grinder in several states and Canada to attend workshops, finally in 1992 and 1993 did the Certification and Master Certification courses in Philly, NLP New Code, then they went back and showed how every pattern in the old code came from the leverage points in the new code. New code allowed me to create, recreate, ad lib whatever I needed to to adjust to the client in front of me to get results for the client. Definitely a focus on modelling in new code from day one. Dr Grinder did the certification wkend and Judith DeLozier (former spouse/nlp co-creator) did the Master Certification testing wkend. Attended modelling weekend modelling touch healer Finbar Nolan w/ Dr. Grinder, A New Code Excellence weekend in I believe N Carolina and a later workshop in Canada on some advanced New Code stuff. Dr. Grinder was always fascinating and instructive. I liked some of the earlier work by Richard Bandler on patterns using submodalities, but his later stuff seems to end in a puff of smoke and bewilderment with little having been learned … might be a statement of my own limitations!!!
Grinder and DeLozier’s PreRequisite for Personal Genius needs to be read numerous times to understand what to do with it. The New Code instruction, much of it, was based on explorations and discoveries in this book … again, unbelievably instructive … nothing like it. It is definitely more difficult to model a genius, than it is to have fun playing with the patterns that come out of others having modelled geniuses in their field.

]]> By: petanda312 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-314 petanda312 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:50:27 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-314 The more I learn about NLP the madder I get at my past encounters with psychologists and psychiatrists, especially for not advising me that it exists in any form... and then I want to work harder at it and research it more because it really does work for me (and it's oddly fun). It's been helpful in many ways in just a couple of days of practice and I've been overcoming myself and my own thoughts and have been feeling a lot better. Thank you for the video! The more I learn about NLP the madder I get at my past encounters with psychologists and psychiatrists, especially for not advising me that it exists in any form… and then I want to work harder at it and research it more because it really does work for me (and it’s oddly fun). It’s been helpful in many ways in just a couple of days of practice and I’ve been overcoming myself and my own thoughts and have been feeling a lot better. Thank you for the video!

]]> By: petanda312 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-313 petanda312 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:06:46 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-313 Thank you! Yes I have just tried that and thank goodness, I'm feeling a lot better. I like that there are so many ways to do this. I feel like my brain is excercising. Thank you! Yes I have just tried that and thank goodness, I’m feeling a lot better.

I like that there are so many ways to do this. I feel like my brain is excercising.

]]> By: nilma99 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-312 nilma99 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:54:09 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-312 I think "Turtles all the way down" I think “Turtles all the way down”

]]> By: vadarfone http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-311 vadarfone Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:45:58 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-311 Sounds like a lot of words. Sounds like a lot of words.

]]> By: InspiritiveNLP http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-310 InspiritiveNLP Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:26:28 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-310 Wanting research that substantiates NLP (a new field) is like wanting research that substantiates psychology (an established field). In psychology researchers test hypotheses and build theories. NLP deals in models rather than theory. In NLP skilled trainers and modelers create models of high performers. The test is whether other people applying the patterns that have been modeled can achieve similar outcomes to the expert in a similar time frame. Wanting research that substantiates NLP (a new field) is like wanting research that substantiates psychology (an established field). In psychology researchers test hypotheses and build theories. NLP deals in models rather than theory. In NLP skilled trainers and modelers create models of high performers. The test is whether other people applying the patterns that have been modeled can achieve similar outcomes to the expert in a similar time frame.

]]> By: granas4life http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-309 granas4life Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:47:53 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-309 more moddeling people ;) more moddeling people ;)

]]> By: BritishArrow http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-308 BritishArrow Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:16:41 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-308 Seems to me the kind of thing you learn by doing it rather than trying to make sense of its definition. Clearly a very intelligent man. Seems to me the kind of thing you learn by doing it rather than trying to make sense of its definition. Clearly a very intelligent man.

]]> By: InspiritiveNLP http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-307 InspiritiveNLP Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:54:46 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-307 Yes. First reproduce the skill and then you can build an explicit description of its components as a model for transfer to other if you choose to. We teach NLP modelling as part of our post-graduate qualification the Graduate Certificate in Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Yes. First reproduce the skill and then you can build an explicit description of its components as a model for transfer to other if you choose to. We teach NLP modelling as part of our post-graduate qualification the Graduate Certificate in Neuro-Linguistic Programming.

]]> By: RichardD42 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/http:/www.nlpprinceton.com/2010/02/john-grinder-phd-what-is-nlp/comment-page-1/#comment-306 RichardD42 Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:01:23 +0000 http://www.nlpprinceton.com/?p=662#comment-306 "...one of the most common ways of avoiding seeing truth - the particular form of "resistance" generally used by intellectuals in psychotherapy - is to make an abstract or logical principle out of the problem, and generally by enough clever intellectualizing one can arrive at a fine-looking solution which is so fascinating." -Rollo May “…one of the most common ways of avoiding seeing truth – the particular form of “resistance” generally used by intellectuals in psychotherapy – is to make an abstract or logical principle out of the problem, and generally by enough clever intellectualizing one can arrive at a fine-looking solution which is so fascinating.” -Rollo May

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